Kathy - Here's a question: I am confused about the crest posted on this blog. Is there more than one O'Neill crest? I found the one you have on the Internet referenced for the family O'Neall/O'Neill Genealogy.
However, prior to seeing this coat of arms I thought this one was THE ONE. This one can be found here:
http://www.allfamilycrests.com/n/oneill-family-crest-coat-of-arms.shtml
Discuss ...
3 comments:
Good Catch, Laurie-Looks like you're right! Devin had already set me straight that I had posted the wrong coat of arms (see his amazingly comprehensive post above!). I got the crest I originally posted off of an O'Neill website...can't recall which one and thought it to be an ancient form.
at http://www.araltas.com/features/oneill/
I found the following info regarding the O'Neill coat of arms (the site has a ton of interesting O'Neill lore: we are apparently descended from a rather colorful bunch!:
Heraldry
Various O Neill coats of arms have been recorded over the centuries. The following is recognised by the Chief Herald of Ireland as a sept or clan coat of arms for the family
Arms: Argent two lions rampant combatant Gules supporting a dexter hand couped at the wrist of the last, in chief three estoiles of the second, in base waves of the sea therein naiant a salmon all proper.
Crest: An arm in armour embowed holding a sword all proper.
Motto: Lamh dearg Eirinn [The red hand of Ireland].
Thanks for getting a great dialog going! NOW the challenge is on to trace the actual lineage back!
And Brian might be interested in this:
http://www.araltas.com/features/moore/
Apparently the Moore Coat of Arms is every bit as gory as the O'Neill Red Hand...maybe more so with, "A dexter hand lying fessways couped at the wrist holding a sword in pale pierced through three gory heads."
And, apparently your O'Neill and Moore ancestors were good buddies too:
"Sir Garret Moore became so firm a friend of Hugh O Neill, Earl of Tyrone, the great rebel, that in 1607 before he fled to the Continent O Neill stayed with him. When taking his leave, O Neill wept bitterly, never revealing that he was leaving Ireland forever."
LOL....in my defense, Devin, these were separate topics which, I believed , warranted separate comment postings. This does not however at all take away from your valid highlighting of how my stream of consciousness operates!
I shall try to "harness it" better...though I am not real optimistic about my ability to do so!
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